What Really Puts me Off on the First Date
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There's a myriad of things that can go wrong on a first date... killer breath, nervous incessant chit-chat, really bad gas... but what really puts me off on a first date is desperation. Okay, I get it, you haven't gotten laid in a long time, but letting a girl know you haven't gotten laid in a long time is probably half the reason why. It's true, the "never been kissed" routine has an expiration date, these days senior year of high school is probably the latest a guy would want to try and pull it off. Why? Women want to date successful men and that translates over into the bedroom, even. Sure, we don't want to hear a play by play of your erotic conquests, but we will shy away from a guy who can't seem to get a piece of the action, we figure there's a reason why you're considered "unbeddable." (Really, it's a word, Google it, just look past unbiddable. Make sure to come back here when you're finished, we'll wait.)
Signs a Man is Desperate
- Associated Content Article
As if we couldn't figure it out ourselves, here's an article outlining how to spot a desperate man. The over-powering scent of BRUT isn't enough for some women, I guess.
Don't get me wrong, I've dated my fair share of virgins, most of which were upfront about the fact that their V-Card was gathering dust, but there's a huge difference between making light of it and moving on or wallowing in your own kiddie pool of virginal resentment. There's a girl out there for most guys, even one who will laugh at the fact you can recite almost entire episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation verbatim. Just knock it off until date two, 'kay? That's probably the worst part about men who are desperate to get laid, (no, not Star Trek, I actually enjoy that quite a bit,) it's the resentment really gets me down, though. The fact that you haven't gotten laid in forever or ever for that matter, is not womankind's fault, it's yours. I've had some dates end rather abruptly when a man has called me a slut for sleeping with every Tom, Dick and Harry, except, surprisingly, him. I can't believe that guys like that are surprised they can't get laid.
Tips for Single Guys
- General Dating Rules For Men
Dating rules learned through experience are useful to pass on to other guys. Follow these rules to achieve better dating success.
So let me give you a little advice... here are some tips that aren't guaranteed to get you between her sheets, but will at least put you in a position to touch someone's goodies in this lifetime.
Date your Match
No, I'm not talking about the dating site, but that's not a half-bad idea. There's a ton of books and top-secret websites guaranteeing your success with gorgeous women regardless of how you look and let me tell you, you're not that charismatic. This is probably the most important advice I can give you, I don't mean to be so harsh about it, but you are not all that and a bag of chips, so why on earth would a Playboy Bunny want to get with you? Date someone around your age, about your average looks, and in your socioeconomic stratosphere. I'm not saying love can't happen outside of these constraints, but people make fortunes off telling you what you want to hear, that's why these books sell. Most of the time it just isn't going to happen. That's reality.
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Personal Hygeine is your Friend
This really should go without saying, guys. If you have a date she will expect no less than a shower, deodorant and Scope. You have no idea how much effort women put into getting ready for a date, you don't have to compete on our level of the playing field, but to be a contender you do have to follow the rules of basic cleanliness. While we're on the subject... No matter how good a cologne smells putting too much on is not only over-kill, it reeks of desperation, try the girly method of spraying the cologne in front of you and walking into it. One spritz will do! My boyfriend tells me that most guy's colognes don't work this way, so for those of you "lathering" it on, here's a tip. A. Make sure the lid is securely fastened, flip the bottle upside down and carefully remove the cap after righting it again. Lightly tap the inside of the bottle top against your wrist. Rub your wrists together, then rub your wrists against the inside of your elbows, behind your ears, etc. Just make sure it isn't too over-powering and you're good to go!
Isabella Snow Wrote an Awesome Hub About This:
- Pre-Date Hygiene Tips For Men
This is excellent, I especially like the tip about cleaning your ears.
Dress to Impress
Okay, you don't have to wear a three-piece suit and your best sparkly wingtips, (though, depending on where you're going, it might not hurt,) but like basic hygiene, dressing up is kind of a standard us ladies would like to hold you to. I actually went out with a guy more than once who admitted to me he was wearing his "lucky" Cubs jersey and wouldn't be taking it off until the end of the season. (He wasn't too keen on washing it, either.) Yeah, I went out with him more than once, but not more than twice. I mean... ew. While we're on the subject... no piece of clothing is "lucky" as far as most women are concerned, so just keep it to yourself if you believe you're wearing your lucky socks, undies, t-shirt, etc. If it looks like it's been washed more than a few thousand times it needs to stay at home, not out with you on a first date.
NY Dating Coach Gives Some Simple Style Advice
Be Comfortable with You
Remember when you were a kid and your mom used to tell you to be yourself and people will like you? Well, while it's not true a hundred percent of the time, do you really want to date someone who doesn't like you for the person you are? Think about how much work it will take, down the road to try to convince someone you're not the person you are, now do you really want to put in that kind of effort? There are girls who game out there, like Star Trek, or will argue with you over the finer points of when to tap your Prodigal Sorcerer, you just have to get off your lazy @ss and find them. If you're just in it to get laid then go out and buy one of those aforementioned books... otherwise, be yourself! Somebody out there will eventually love you for it. Point in case, Wil Wheaton, author of "Just a Geek," "Dancing Barefoot," and a haven of a geek blog, (you might remember him from Stand By Me and Star Trek, the Next Generation,) is married to an incredibly hot (and I would have to guess very understanding,) non-gamer woman. Yet, they seem to have a very fulfilling relationship, despite their differences.
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Be Comfortable with Her
I mentioned before that I have dated a few virgins in my time. Some of them weren't so much by the time I'd finished dating them. (Some of them probably still are, at the time of this publication.) The guys that I dated more than a few dates all had one thing in common besides being inexperienced, they were honest about it!
Okay, so sure, you might not want to bring this up on your first date, and you certainly don't want to be dark, or creepy about it, but letting a girl know that you're not really sure what you're doing before you actually get too physically involved with her is really a good idea. If you have a sense of humor about it and convey a sense of self-confidence, being inexperienced is totally cool, it just means you haven't learned any bad habits, yet.
Isn't this a Little Too Comfortable?
"My philosophy of dating is to just fart right away." --- Jenny McCarthy
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I hear a lot of guys spout the age old adage, "Nice guys finish last.," a lot more often than I'd like to. Here's the thing, nice guys are totally awesome, but clingy, desperate men are frightening. So while you might think that bringing your date you don't actually know a dozen roses, candies, and dinner at the nicest place in town, is nice, I'm guessing she's digging around for her mace at the bottom of her purse. A lot of guys just take things way too fast and then complain that it didn't work out in the end because they were "too nice." I dated a guy who made all these awesome plans, (including vacations in Hawaii,) showered me with jewelry, took me to really fancy places, all within our first three dates. Immediately it set off serious red flags for me, because that isn't how a relationship works. When I broke up with him, some of my friends said, "But, he was so nice!" Well, maybe he was, but he didn't know anything about pacing a relationship and just ended up coming off as ultra-desperate.
Escobana's awesome hub on her romance in Spain: Can I Put You in a Box?
Don't Get Hammered
If you're over the age of 21 you may have learned this little trick called having a drink to calm your nerves. In theory, it works: You gain a temporary boost in confidence, self-image and your inhibitions are lowered. However, having more than you can handle will have the exact opposite effect on how your date views you. At best, she'll write you off as being so nervous you've to be tanked to be in the same room as her. Worse, you'll end up paying for her dry cleaning bill.
Fighting Sobriety One Day at a Time
- Juz, the Tick on Planet Capri
Instead of drinking heavily on your date, why not get your date laughing by sending her this link...
Ask Her Questions
Man, I've been out with two different guys who couldn't keep my name straight. It's not that hard, seriously, all you have to do is actually pay attention to your date when she is talking. Ask follow-up questions that will show her you're interested in what she's saying and for the love of all things sacred, remember the name of the girl you're talking to! You really will not make it very far, (past date one, let alone into her bed,) if you can't take the time to memorize her name. Don't just ask follow-up questions, ask follow-up questions to your follow-up questions. The more you get her talking about herself, the better. Don't fidget with your gadgets while chatting her up, either, make sure your cell phone, I-Pod, notebook computer is off, or on silent and show her you're interested by giving her your complete undivided attention.
If You Score
Okay, I don't mean to be so crass about it, but if you do happen to actually get a chick into bed and you've never been that far before, here's a few pointers... I've never heard of sex that was so awful it couldn't be attempted more than once. You will either A. orgasm too quickly, B. not be able to orgasm at all, C. have no clue what you're doing or D. all of the above.
If you have an orgasm too quickly, don't fret, usually you'll be able to have another one within an hour, so continue fool around and, uh, see what pops up. Ask her to put on a show for you, if you're %100 sure that she isn't a satisfied customer, yet. (And if you came too quickly she probably won't be.)
If you aren't able to orgasm at all, this can be a little trickier. Make sure to assure the girl you're with that it is your problem and has nothing to do with her. In fact, complimenting her at this point by telling her you're so nervous and she's so awesome and you just don't know what happened is probably your best course of action to take. In my experience, guys who are having sex for the first time end up having this issue a lot more often than reaching orgasm too quickly. They've built sex and the idea of sex up so high in their mind that when it finally comes they have a hard time letting go and relaxing enough to make it possible to have an orgasm. Mind, you, I'm not talking about not being able to maintain an erection, I've never encountered that problem with a guy the first time, so you might want to have that checked out because there could be an underlying medical issue. Chances are, if you're in the situation of being able to maintain an erection and cannot orgasm you're just too pumped (no pun intended,) to cum. You're probably sleeping over at her place, or she at yours, so just wait until the morning and try again. Almost %100 of the guys I've been with were totally able to orgasm the next day, for some reason the initial pressure was off and they were totally relieved to find everything worked fine. It's completely normal, just remember to be cool about it and let the girl know you're totally into her, women can take an inability to orgasm as a personal affront.
If it's your first time you probably will suck. Sex isn't really all that fantastic with a new partner anyways, though, so it's not something to worry too much about. Every girl is different and every partner will have their own set of quirks and turn-on's that a new partner won't know about without some serious discussions and practice. So you're not really getting set-up for disappointment here, she won't expect you to be a super-wonder in bed. Great sex takes practice for even experienced partners! With that in mind, even though it might sound a little strange, ask questions while you're having sex, ask if she likes this, that, or the other, vary your techniques, be verbal! This takes some practice, so you might as well get it out there as quickly as possible so you can fine-tune your moves to each partner you bed.
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Bringing it all Together
Regardless if you're a virgin or just a little rusty, remember, it's like a bicycle, once you get your balance and take the training wheels off, you will figure it out. Take time with your personal appearance, hygiene, work on showing off your best sides of your personality and taking an active interest in everyone you talk to, these are goals that will help you get through a lot more than just dating and sex in life! Your job, friendships and family life can go smoother if you pay attention to how you're interacting with others, (not just members of the opposite sex,) and continuing to work on these skills will increase your personal happiness. If you take a more zen like approach to dating, loosening up, enjoying yourself and your date for more than just the "Oh, I might get laid," aspect, you'll get "there" a lot faster.
- 10 First Date Tips for Men -- Yahoo! Personals
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WOW...Hit it on the head....way too true.....And this does go for the girls too.....Don't go overboard on the first date....Just have fun...get to know each other. You ROCK Nicole...can't wait to read more from you :)
This is a well-written, excellent guide for geeky, awkward guys. I could have used most of this advice way back when. I was scared to death of women. Maybe I still am. You should be scared of that which you do not understand.
"Kiddie pool of viriginal resentment"--- oh man, you can certainly turn a phrase!!! Great post.
Hello Nicole,
I completely enjoyed your hub. I am way past the virginal stages of dating and for me it was a bit of a walk down memory lane. A walk that still has me grinning.
Mikel
Great hub, really enjoyed reading it. Good advice and made me smile.
Farting on a first date can be.....somewhat unpleasant.
Hey, thanks for giving me blog love.
:)
Juz
Great hub
Christ that was long. If you find a date on the "exotic services" page of craigslist you can fart whenever you want.
I found most of this article informative and fun to read. Thanks especially for the "If You Score" section. However -- and take this more as an editorial than an attempt at critique -- I personally was a bit put off by the "kiddie pool of virginal resentment" crack (and other parts with the same tone). I understand that bitterness and resentment are very unattractive qualities, but as a 22 year-old male virgin, I find it increasingly difficult to just "make light of" my paper-thin romantic history.
It's not just sex as physical gratification that I'm missing -- I can count on both hands the number of evenings I've spent sharing any kind of intimacy with a like-minded woman, and I consider it a total fluke that I've had even those (fairly recent) experiences. She gave me my first ever indications of mutual interest, followed shortly by my first kiss -- at age 20. I first noticed girls when I was 7 years old, so a bit of math tells us that I waited 13 agonizing years for my first hint of gratification of that basic human need to be loved, or touched, or at least wanted non-platonically. All the while, I watched my peers develop their own romantic and sexual interests and then blithely follow up on them, causing plenty of angst for themselves but also invaluable personal growth and sheer joy.
Since being (gently, regretfully?) dumped about three months after that first kiss, I've gone a full year and a half without so much as a long, tender eye-gaze or an electric hand-holding session. During that time, I've had a few hugs lasting longer than three seconds each...but only from young women who were so drunk that they might actually have been just trying to keep from falling flat on their faces (a good number of them ended up in bed with various other guys by the end of the night, but interestingly enough, not one ever tried to even kiss me...not that I really wanted them to). For me, constant unwanted solitude is a fact of life, and however much blame rests with me, my social anxiety and my passivity, it still hurts!
Just going out more often hasn't helped, since I seem to be very easy to ignore. By many accounts (not just family...), I'm a funny, decently handsome, intelligent, ambitious, conscientious, and sensitive guy. I also have a crippling lack of confidence and self-esteem, by now driven largely by the very social isolation that low confidence engenders. This is a vicious cycle, and while I chase my own tail trying to bite it off, the rest of the world seems to be moving on with life.
Now, I agree that for someone in my position to lash out and call his date a slut would be unacceptable, and she would be right to cut the date short if he did that. I believe intellectually that romantic experience is generally a healthy part of a person's life, and that the maturity, lessons, and skills learned are essential constituents of who that person is today. In practice though, intuitively, I tend to be privately uncomfortable about (if not outright anguished by) the experience levels of everyone from close friends and crushes to complete strangers on the internet. One of my foremost concerns is the ubiquity of incurable, life-long, condom-evading STDs (I'm looking at you, herpes...especially with asymptomatic viral shedding making sure that between sore outbreaks, the virus can be spread without either partner even having the faintest clue that it's present and still contagious).
Even setting that worry aside, I'm bothered by the idea of discovering deeper levels of intimacy for the first time with someone who's been there and done that countless times before. And really, one good year-long relationship offers plenty of opportunity to lose count of individual acts, right? It's humiliating to think that practically everything is going to be mind-blowing and giggle-inducing out of sheer novelty for me, while quite possibly putting my dear partner to sleep because she's done it all so many times that she's become habituated to it and gets bored by any merely average examples. How could we base any further emotional connection on that wide of a disparity in feelings? Why would she want to give me another chance once she finds out I have nothing new and exciting to offer, physically or emotionally?
I haven't even mentioned how emotionally immature I must be, not having had any deep, year-long-plus emotional/physical connections to learn from. When I say, "I love you" to a romantic partner for the first time in my life, heart pounding, breath catching in my throat, terrified of how she might respond, will she have to stifle a yawn, reflexively saying it back just like she has hundreds or thousands of times before in at least a couple different long-term relationships? Will she say it with a lukewarm heart, out of expedience rather than sincere affection, having closed herself off from real vulnerability after one too many heartbreaks? Or will I be like a heroin addict's next fix for her -- just a basic, familiar return to feeling "normal" rather than the euphoria and blissful contentedness I'd probably be feeling?
Add it all up, and even a woman a couple of years younger than me with relatively modest experience leaves me feeling like a painfully naive child in comparison, fearful of the day when she realizes how many things that she takes as common knowledge are completely new and unfamiliar to me, and decides not to waste her time educating a guy with an early-teen-level romantic vocabulary when there are plenty of men out there who already know how things work. Of course, that's assuming I somehow break the cycle of low confidence and social isolation enough to start a relationship in the first place.
I guess I'm just asking for a little more understanding when it comes to those who've spent their whole lives until now (all of high school, most or all of college, and possibly even longer) swallowing disappointment after disappointment with few or no breaks. I can't even realistically imagine what a stable, committed romantic relationship would be like, and getting sex involved only compounds the incomprehensibility. It's hard enough for me when I'm unavoidably driven by society to take note of all the success the typical adult has had with this seemingly-opaque facet of life, without also being actively scorned for my corresponding lack of success. Though I doubt you meant it this way, downplaying the difficulty involved in moving forward comes across to me as an additional slap in the face.
Sorry if this comment is excessive; I don't have a webpage of my own that I'm trying to promote or anything. I just wanted to share a relevant point of view that might be a little less common among your readers.
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HaHa Nicole soon as i saw desperation knew this was gonna be fun. Oh, you've dated your share of virgins with dusty V-cards..brilliant. Yes, all newbie dating guys, hygiene is A number one important. Star Trek? Are you talking about Capt. Quirk and the Starship intercourse thrusting through space on another penetrating mission? And remember young fellows, hammered = hopeless lovey-dovey! Nicole thank you for a most enjoyable ride. Hub ride that is and wheres my NeNe!
Hey Nicole, wish I could take the credit but it comes from a 1970s National Lampoon record. Wheres my NeNe? Remember our comments on the child beauty pageants? On the tube theres that precocious but charming 3 year old that's always wanting her nib which she calls NeNe..:D
Hey Nicole,
Just to let you know I loved your Hub! I even linked it to my own Hub on a similar subject. My own datingstory. Your Hub needs to be out there and shared by as many readers as possible.
Voted up, linked and I hit some buttons:-)
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Community of Gamer Girls and their fans who support them! very Funny. was that an ad??
You're so very welcome!
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And thanks so much for linking my Hub to yours as well. Have a great day Nicole!
Great hub, but you're kind of breaking your own rules in the answers to comments, you're acting way too overly polite, replying to every single comment and even with the same phrase. I loved your tips, they really reminded me of some things I gotta get straight next time I'm hitting town or dating.
Please don't thank me for reading and commenting, first of all you've said it 10 times already and second of all, I was the one searching for the information you provided, I should be thanking you!
Nicole Winter:-)
Keep up with the gratefulness. In my Hub-Humbled by my followers. The influence and power of positive feedback- I thank followers especially for their comments, input and the energy they take to read my Hubs anyway.
You are a wonderful person for taking the time to reply to every comment you get even if it sometimes takes a while.
Your readers will feel appreciated by it, even if you use the same phrase. Keep on going girl:-)
You're very welcome dear:-) Gratefulness is a beautiful and rare thing in life....


















susan kean 2 years ago
I love the story by nicole winter. do you have any more. she knows what she's talking about.